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The pubco model has nothing to do with the problems faced by some community pubs – that' s the view of Enterprise Inns chief operating officer Simon Townsend.
Townsend, who was giving evidence at the Community Pubs Inquiry, also called for rate relief for pubs which provide facilities for the community.
Townsend revealed that 866 pubs – about one in nine – Enterprise Inns pubs were currently being offered some form of rent relief or drinks discount to help them.
"The tie, per say, in businesses such as ours has nothing to do with the difficulties faced by some pubs in general," he said.
He said the tenanted and leased model allowed flexibility in economically challenging times.
He urged the Inquiry to "make sure they don't connect things that are not connected".
When pressed by Lib Dem MP Greg Mulholland on the number of Enterprise lessees that had surrendered or forfeited their leases, he replied he did not know but that it was "not a significant number".
Townsend suggested ra
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christopher david roberts 06/07/2008 20:33:39  |
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| christopher david roberts 06/07/2008 21:40:17 |
Beer tie not to blame for struggling pubs ....................... edited by: christopher david roberts at: 06/07/2008 21:40:57 This post replies to Ken Nason > Beer tie not to blame for struggling pubs |
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| jon downes 06/07/2008 21:11:03 |
Beer tie not to blame for struggling pubs It is very sad that the very site we in the trade are looking to for help and guidance through these tough times has been taken over by a classroom full of bullies who seem to have been fed on a dictionary. Please for the sake of others can you put your differences aside and focus on the task in hand, there will never be another opportunity to do this and the real people who need things to happpen will not want to join in any discussions whilst personal battles a being fought. I for one keep coming back to this forum and others for updates on matters in the trade but it is full of tit for tat who said this, he said that gordon bennett is there not a moderator to keep things in check? comments right or wrong about posts that cause general debate is a good thing it helps us to gain a better understanding of our own mistakes or problems. personal attacks serve no purpose other than to create never ending hostile responses ending in closed threads which is unfair to the very people who are trying to gain valuable information for the survival of their pubs. Please gentlemen enough already ! This post replies to this thread |
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Mark Dodds 06/07/2008 22:06:22 |
Beer tie not to blame for struggling pubs Here here Mr Downes This post replies to jon downes > Beer tie not to blame for struggling pubs |
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| Mark Dodds 06/07/2008 22:06:22 |
Beer tie not to blame for struggling pubs Here here Mr Downes. My apologies to all for falling prey to this in the last couple of days. This post replies to jon downes > Beer tie not to blame for struggling pubs |
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Nigel Wakefield 06/07/2008 22:22:37 |
Beer tie not to blame for struggling pubs Jon, I suggested on a previous thread that Ewan gave these people's email addresses to each other and they could slag each other off with immunity, we all know that Ken gets very prickly on certain subjects and the easiest thing to do is steer round it and avoid time wasting literary conflict. I am sure that all those involved are right in what they are saying, but some of us are more concerned with endless people being screwed etc by companies who have no serious allegiance to the licensed industry but to extract the maximum return with the least possible effort. I would like to see Fair Pint succeed and any other organisation that can present the facts to this enquiry. A serious point for those that have no knowledge of what they do is the Licensed Trade Charity LTC they are being inundated with hardship cases as a result of Pub Co activities where decent people are being evicted and have nowhere to go or turn to, this is a serious endictment of certain Pub Co's method of operation, in fact it has never been as bad as it is and has been over the last few years, I am reliably informed. This post replies to jon downes > Beer tie not to blame for struggling pubs |
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| Graham Stenhouse 06/07/2008 23:13:08 |
Beer tie not to blame for struggling pubs Jon Downes,I totally agree with you,I have been reading the posts on this site for quite a while now as I have an active interest on what is happening whithin the licensed trade.Unfortunatley some people on this site have decided to try and discredit Ken Nason (who proved to be very helpful when i purchased a pub).A lot of topics have moved off topic due to the continued snide remarks by S Roberts and her Cisco Kid This post replies to this thread |
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| Stephen Docking 06/07/2008 23:52:13 |
Beer tie not to blame for struggling pubs Perhaps the following will help Mr Townsend with his figures....... Over a six-year period I took on THREE Unique/Enterprise pubs, each initially on TMA. EVERY one of those was either a closure and/or surrender. I moved to full lease on two, off-loaded the other (which has changed hands twice since-and yes they both lost monry, too) at a cost to me of plus £20,000 for the year. One of the others had a Pubco re-furb which locked me in to a 2-year non-assignment clause which was not mentioned until completion. It was not a commercial success, and even after the 2-year period it COST me £60,000 to keep it open for sale. That too has since changed hands. The remaining pub, without ANY investment from Pubco, and considerable investment from myself, was successfully trading at around £10,000pw, all wet. Unable to sustain the high rent and maintenance and the ubiquitous TIE, and financially challenged by the £100,000 losses incurred at the two other pubs, I was in debt to the Revenue for a similar amount. And yet when I surrendered my final lease to the Pubco (which they offered on their own website at £138,500) they could not even pay me a derisory valuation on F&F. Perhaps the Committee would like to ask Mr Townsend EXACTLY how many surrendered pubs are OWED money by the Pubco that they should really be handing over to the Revenue? Somehow I don't think mine is an isolated incident! This post replies to this thread |
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| christopher david roberts 07/07/2008 10:38:26 |
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| jon downes 07/07/2008 10:42:25 |
Beer tie not to blame for struggling pubs All the more reason why threads like this need to be kept free of personal squabling, posts like ours and stephen dockings are the sort of information that needs to come through to enable us to get a clearer picture of what is actually happening in the trade. This post replies to this thread |
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